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Are there distinct third world opinions in one direction or the other? I've tended to assume they are non-unitary rather than broadly converging on one side or the other.

When people from developing countries praise China and communism while criticizing the United States and claiming “Europe is the same,” I find it hard to take their views seriously.

I think their stance often comes from a strong anti-Western bias, and sometimes from feelings of resentment.


Is it possible that you're missing something or not fully understanding their viewpoint?

As someone coming from the Second world (Eastern Bloc), lived in the First world (Western Europe) and now living in the Third World (SEA Tropics), I'd say that in my opinion, a lot of the Westeners are so inherently arrogant that they don't even realize that. Some of these people would rather die from own arrogance, rather than imagining the other point of view.

Certainly, just as much is true in reverse, or in every direction for that matter, which is why we end up falling back to substance.

The third world has the hustle and vitality that the US is slowly losing. We ignore that at our own peril.

Hustle and vitality borne out of generally horrible conditions. I'll take what the "first world" has any day.

Hard times make for strong men (and women)...

This might be cliche, but it has truth to it. Nothing drives production and innovation quite like scarcity and financial adversity.


Yep. And then it reverses, and then again, and again...

Well, that is what's in the ellipsis in the parent's quote:

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" G. Michael Hopf


Nonsense. Most third world countries have downright "lazy" cultures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siesta (note that this is common basically all through the equator even with different names, and being close to the equator is a great way to be a third world country).

Just for context on "laziness", do you work at a desk all day? Second question, how many animals have you personally killed prior to cleaning and cooking?

Is this supposed to be sarcasm?

It truly depends on perspective. I can think of a lot of nations that are rightfully critical of American leadership, especially economically. Investment vehicles like data science and cryptocurrency has given the United States a reputation for spinning fake technology out of thin air. Chinese LLMs positively contribute to the market economy and incentivize American AI businesses to work harder.

I take these concerns seriously as a voting American. My 401k is worthless if the US continues to reward anticompetitive monopolies.


Come on, Sweden isn’t quite a 3rd world country.



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