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People are probably assuming that the trends from the last few decades continue. The EU fumbled semiconductors, production went to Asia. The EU fumbled the software revolution, the successes mainly came from the US. They fumbled the transition to smartphones despite the Nokia advantage. They missed tablets; seemed like they just didn't have the industrial vigour to make a serious attempt.

The safe money is they are going to be an also-ran for the AI revolution. They did manage to force Apple to switch from using lightening connectors to USB though so their wins can't just be laughed off. Maybe they'll surprise us but it'd be a welcome change from their usual routine.

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We're lucky the EU regulators moved so slowly that the industry had already consolidated around USB-C (a standard that Apple was a key participant of and would have eventually moved to eventually). When they were first deciding what to do back in 2209, they decided that Micro-USB was the best standard. Imagine a world where everyone was forced to use Micro-USB...

The obvious takeaway here is that a country / blok can't regulate their way to innovation... so I'm not exact sure why you included it in your list of paradigm shifts. If anything, when the next paradigm shift around charging drops, the EU will be once again on the back-foot due to these short-sighted USB-C regulations they enacted.

I do share your sentiment that EU will miss the train once again on AI.


> The EU fumbled semiconductors, production went to Asia

Production of state of the art semiconductors, yes. NXP, STMicro, Infineon are still there and massive in automotive, industrial, card chips, etc.

> The EU fumbled the software revolution, the successes mainly came from the US

Worldwide massive success, mostly yes. Most European countries have their local or regional success stories though.

> The safe money is they are going to be an also-ran for the AI revolution

Not really. Past performances, or lack thereof, are not indicative of future ones.

Mistral are pretty good and selling well in the enterprise space. Some of the best voice models are coming from France (Kyutai).


ASML, SAP, Airbus to say a few.

That's it? Just 3 companies? Out of which one is a state propped defense provider, and the other won from purchasing US tech. IDK how you can see that as a win for the world's richest block.

Past performance is extremely indicative of future results. It's not a guarantee, but it's definitely the way to bet.

>Production of state of the art semiconductors, yes.

If you fall out of the state of the art then the claim of EU fumbling semiconductors is correct. The richest block in the world should settle for no less than being state of the art. Anything less is fumbling it.

>NXP, STMicro, Infineon are still there and massive in automotive, industrial, card chips, etc.

The EU semi companies you listed are absent from the state of the art and only make low margin commodity parts that don't have moats. ASML exists but is not enough for claiming EU superiority since the EUV light source is still US IP designed and manufactured. And one top company is too little.

>Worldwide massive success, mostly yes.

Worldwide success is where the big money is, and you need a lot of money for cutting edge research and experimentation to build the future successes. Hence the claim of EU fumbling software is correct.

>Most European countries have their local or regional success stories though.

EU mom and pop shops aren't gonna make enough money to be able to afford risky ambitious ventures the likes of FAANGs have. Which is probably why you work for Hashicorp, a large global US company, and not some local EU company.


> EU mom and pop shops

Who said anything about mom and pop shops? You're arguing in extremely bad faith, as usual with this topic.

Doctolib, Revolut, Adyen, Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, and tons of others I can't be bothered to list.

> The EU semi companies you listed are absent from the state of the art and only make low margin commodity parts that don't have moats

You think industrial controllers don't have a moat?

> If you fall out of the state of the art then the claim of EU fumbling semiconductors is correct.

Absolutely not. There is more to the world that state of the art.


>You're arguing in extremely bad faith, as usual with this topic.

Care to explain your wild accusations. I never attacked you directly, just the points you made.

>Doctolib, Revolut, Adyen, Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, and tons of others I can't be bothered to list.

Do those make anything the US or China can't? A doctor appointment scheduling app? Seriously?

>You think industrial controllers don't have a moat?

I never mentioned industrial controllers. Just the chips and microcontrollers those companies make.

>There is more to the world that state of the art.

If you like competing in low margin race to the bottom jobs, sure. Just don't be surprised your tech wages are low then.


> Care to explain your accusations. I never attacked you directly, just the points you made.

You twisted "national successess" to "mon and pop shop". It's a typically American argument "unless it's the global behemoth that has a global monopoly in the domain, it's a failure", which is, frankly, absurd. Would you say Venmo is a failure because they're not used outside of the US (because other countries have better banking infrastructure)? Or that GM are a failure because they barely sell outside the US (because their cars are not adapted to other markets)? Or that United Healthcare Group are a failure because they only operate in the US?

Leboncoin are a massive peer to peer marketplace in France and a few neighbouring countries (IIRC Belgium), like Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace. They do a couple of hundred million in annual revenue. They are, undoutedly, a local success story. Are they a failure because they don't rival Ebay or Facebook Marketplace? No, because that would assume that the goal of each and every business is to become a global behemoth monopoly, which is an impossibility.

Similarly, Doctolib run healthcare appointment and everything related (online appointnments, digital prescriptions, secure storage and sharing of medical data like test results, AI voice note taking assistants for doctos, etc.) in France, and are expanding in a few neighbouring countries. In France they are the standard and pretty much what everyone uses. They are undoubtedly a success.


> It's a typically American argument "unless it's the global behemoth that has a global monopoly in the domain, it's a failure"

1. I'm not American, I'm European. And cool it with this finger pointing around nationality as I never brought it up. We can't have a civil discussion if you resort to identity politics as an argument.

2. I said no such thing. I never called those companies failures. You're the one saying that by twisting my arguments.

And those online marketplaces and doctor apps you mentioned that are "local success stories" don't have invented any core tech that can be exported and monetized globally the same like Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc can. export products abroad, they just used existing FOSS technologies to build some local websites in the EU. Any other country on the planet can build their own versions of those apps, and they have, from India to Argentina. It's nothing special the EU made here. So how you can consider them in the ballpark of the tech companies before is beyond me.


> I'm not American, I'm European.

And I didn't say you're American, just that you're using the traditionally American bad faith argument.

> I never called those companies failures

You just called them "mom and pop shops".

> And those online marketplaces and doctor apps you mentioned that are "local success stories" don't have invented any core tech that can be exported and monetized globally

And that's a different argument altogether. Not everything has to be core tech exportable all over, and one can be very successful without doing that.

If you're looking for core tech developed by European countries exported all around the world, enjoy Airbus, Siemens, Infineon, Alstom, Spotify, DeepMind (ok they were acquired by Google), VLC, ASML, SAP and plenty of others.

> Microsoft

> they just used existing FOSS technologies

Can you explain to me the difference between using FOSS and proprietary software to build a product, and what Microsoft are doing?




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