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So your issue isn't with Java, just with shit error messages and devs clearing the exception stack.


I would believe you, except that it is a problem with every Java app I have supported, and there are people in this very thread defending it.

I do not want a stack trace unless I specifically request it. I am not a Java developer, 10 pages in less showing names of packages I don't even know what they are is not useful. It just muddies the water so that it's much harder to make sense of and spot the relevant line; assuming there is a line that actually states the error. I shouldn't need to know what all those packages are in order to figure out why Confluence crashed again or stopped sending emails.


When you are administrating so many Java applications, you should investigate an hour or ask your favorite AI how to configure the logging library used in your application of interest. They allow you to remove stack traces and lots more.


That would require convincing the entire organization to change SOP and use a non-standard configuration of the vendor software in a high security private cloud.


Then I've never seen anyone write good Java. Either way, same issue.




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