My timing belt (chain), clutch, and gearbox last 130k+ miles. Thats the life of some EV batteries. Coilpacks cost $100. You are not wrong, but I have not had any major repair on any of my cars under 50k miles. Maintenance does exist but it doesn’t wildly drive up the cost per mile
There is also suspension, a/c, wipers, and interior electronics.
The difference between ice and EV stops after the drivetrain and most ice drivetrains are rather reliable these days. My 10 year old ice sedan costs about 0.18/mi. I would be interested to know what a comparable EV would cost, considering half of my cost is basically gasoline
Update: it seems EVs cost under 0.10/mi with figures coming in between 0.03 and 0.08. This doesn’t explain if this is all costs (including things like washer fluid, regular maintenance etc) or estimated costs+charging. My costs were tracked over a 6 year span
> My timing belt (chain), clutch, and gearbox last 130k+ miles. Thats the life of some EV batteries.
If that's the life of your battery, you get it replaced under warranty. Since no supplier wants to have to replace the bulk of batteries under warranty that seems to just be false in Tesla's case at least.
Your cost per mile including gas really depends on where you live. Because gas prices vary wildly.
Most premium ice cars aren't cheap to maintain unless you're doing a lot yourself
Who provides a warranty over 130k miles on the battery! Cost per mile for gas was from $2.15 (yay covid) up to $4.21, average gas price paid over the life of the car is at $3.20. 98% of my fillups was 93 octane gas
Besides that the thread us about Tesla, would you consider any of those premium cars?
Kia and Toyota? Ford and GM I could see
But also, this is part of how tesla is ahead still on other manufacturers. Knowing their product and being able to provide a better warranty speaks to their own confidence in it
You can look at market positioning, or you can look at the experiments…
A million mile Tundra with 117 dealership visits over 10 years:
In maintaining his truck to the extraordinary million-mile mark, Sheppard has logged 117 dealership service visits over nine years, ranging from timing belt replacements, oil changes, and the manufacturer’s regularly scheduled check-ups.
Tesla Model S with 1.2 million:
However, this Model S is currently on its fourth battery pack. Four batteries at 1.2 million miles mean that the average pack lasted some 300,000 and counting, which is actually a strong showing in our opinion.
It’d be interesting to try to get bounds on the costs. It seems like the Tesla special of mishandled repairs (i.e. not understanding motor failure) is an real and persistent factor.
I'm not certain this is valuable. While it's great to see how a car can last that long you need to be driving a LOT to ever get near that mark. That's professional driver levels.
No consumer car should be built to achieve that. If they can, great, but you might be over engineering a lot to make that happen as a rule
Kia/Hyundai provides a 10 year/100k mileage warranty. Double that of Tesla. I wonder if Tesla knows their premium cars will fall apart long before their batteries do?
This was a great thought experiment though! Let’s do it again sometime?
Note that the battery warranties aren't just for total failure, most are for at least 70% of original capacity at say 8/10 years or 100k (and are generally increasing on newer models). BYD offer 125K miles on their blade battery for example.
Coincidentally, studies have shown that MPG on ICE engines can drop as much as 40% after 10 years.
You can also buy 3rd party battery warranties. As with any insurance product the price would be lower if everyone bought in. Would probably be a good subsidy for nations trying to encourage EV adoption.
There is also suspension, a/c, wipers, and interior electronics.
The difference between ice and EV stops after the drivetrain and most ice drivetrains are rather reliable these days. My 10 year old ice sedan costs about 0.18/mi. I would be interested to know what a comparable EV would cost, considering half of my cost is basically gasoline
Update: it seems EVs cost under 0.10/mi with figures coming in between 0.03 and 0.08. This doesn’t explain if this is all costs (including things like washer fluid, regular maintenance etc) or estimated costs+charging. My costs were tracked over a 6 year span