I think you damage your own credibility more than Musk's by saying things like this. He's delivered on electric cars and reusable rockets. It's fair to say promises more than he delivers, but he delivers an awful lot.
If someone said "I'm the fastest man alive! I can run at the speed of sound!" And then they went out and ran at 30% the speed of sound I think it would make sense to say "That was an amazing try. You're not at the speed of sound, or even that close to it, but you're definitely the fastest man alive and that is amazing running." I don't think it would make sense to call this person a fraud.
The problem with the logic is that he’s commercializing the over-promises. Investors are buying his stock based on those missed promises. People are buying cars based on that too and are being let down.
Underdelivery is par for literally every human institution on earth.
The federal government underdelivers. Corporations by default underdeliver. Grad students underdeliver. Football teams underdeliver.
Every single institution on earth more ambitious than lawncare services makes lofty ambitious goals and then achieve maybe 20% of them. Musk is the same, but the difference is that his 20% are orders of magnitude more ambitious than anyone else, so 20% delivery is still world-changing.
He's actually a pretty incredible engineer who was been making important engineering decisions daily for 20 years. Decisions that make or break products and companies.
He never studied to be an engineer. He doesn't have his name on any designs or inventions within his companies. He isn't an engineer. A lot of claims have been made that he also hasn't actually coded anything that's been used.
The guy is a liar, look it up.
Go on youtube and search "elon musk debunked". There are lots of videos with sources showing how elon is a fraud.
Elon has a degree in physics. You think you can only work as an engineer if the word 'engineer' is the degree you have? Many engineers have degrees in physics among other foundational sciences - math, chemistry, etc... They make for especially good engineers.
He has a bachelor of arts in physics. He isn't an engineer. There are actual qualifications to being an engineer and he doesn't have those. He came up from his dad's unethical mining company. His code has never been used because it "was garbage".
If elon musk is an engineer, what has he engineered that has his name on it?
Please point me in the direction that shows that elon has the certifications and education to call himself an engineer.
Musk has a lot of people fooled that he's a genius, and he even lied about having asbergers, on top of everything else he has lied about.
There actually aren't any official qualifications to be an engineer unless you are talking about 'licensed engineers' of which only 20% of all engineers are. Please correct me if I'm wrong and post the official qualifications.
That being said, a physics degree is more than enough to work in most engineering positions. Elon being the leader is probably the most important part of the SpaceX and Tesla engineering teams and shares the credit with everyone else when a good product ships.
I've had people tell me that a kid building things with LEGO bricks is an engineer, so that means Musk is an engineer, too. Apologists will stretch the definition of an engineer in order to claim that Musk is an engineer, as well. It's often stretched so thin that pretty much anyone who built anything would be qualified as an engineer using the definition that also qualifies Musk as one, too.
Many engineers have degrees in physics. It's a perfectly legitimate degree to have for an engineering position. There is no stretch of the definition whatsoever.
A person whose title is 'RF Communication Systems Engineer' and has a physics degree is an engineer.
A person whose title is 'Chief Engineer' and has a physics degree is also an engineer aka Elon therefore he is an engineer.
This is ridiculous debate given Elon leads thousands of engineers daily and given his success there's no doubt that he is making good engineering decisions daily because he is a good engineer.
Software engineers aren't actually engineers because they have degrees in computer science. Especially the kids who don't go to college and start their own companies giving themselves software engineering titles. Giving yourself the title automatically disqualifies you from being an engineer no matter all the things you accomplish.
Given there is no official definition and the definition is subjective, you pretty much can't win this argument.
> I think you damage your own credibility more than Musk's by saying things like this.
Why are you making it about this commenter? They are not wrong. Unless you can answer this next question:
> He's delivered on electric cars and reusable rockets. It's fair to say promises more than he delivers, but he delivers an awful lot.
So where are the 1 million robo-taxis driving around at Level 5 FSD ready for release in 2020 then?
There is a reason why he is very clever at playing the pied piper and manipulating his customers like crash dummies to buy his FSD contraption to run each other down whilst increasing the price of a broken product.
That alone highlights the scam he is running with FSD which is a shame since that it damages his credibility and with the repeated failed claims and predictions of FSD not materializing, he is making himself a magnificent example of a great con artist with Tesla.
Ardent Musk critics look at FSD, see a scam, and conclude that Musk is a scammer and everything he does is a scam.
Ardent Musk fanboys look at the rockets, see them actually work, and conclude that Musk is legit in everything he does.
Personally I think Musk's ventures are a mix of scam and legitimate. His rockets are real, but I don't believe for a minute they'll ever send a colony to Mars. His cars are real, but anybody who bought one hoping it would make passive income as a robotaxi got burned. Musk ventures are like going to a circus; the lions are probably real, the mermaid exhibit isn't, and the "world's strongest man" is certainly strong, but not the world's strongest.
Well, my criticism is specifically and only with FSD.
There was no mention of me calling SpaceX, Tesla cars, etc a scam. You can support and purchase a Tesla but also be critical of the claims about FSD and leave out SpaceX, Starlink, etc.
I'm pretty happy with FSD beta, drives itself 95% of the time and I can easily see them figuring out the other 5%. People like you said landing rockets wasn't possible either. Where are they now?
