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My comment from another thread : Dutch banks terminated accounts of Corona-critics / anti-vax'ers / conspiracy nuts ( you choose how to call them ).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28301199



Seems like you conveniently forgot the word "organisations".


Why does that matter?


There is a big difference between cutting off financial services for organizations and people; in general, in business-to-business relations organizations are free to serve only whom they wish, but individuals (unlike organizations) deserve protection from discrimination, and having access to core banking services is considered an important right for individuals in EU.

Dutch banks denying accounts to someone because they are a conspiracy nut would be big news; even someone who's declared bankruptcy and is currently sitting in jail after being convicted for fraud would have the right to a basic bank account.


I never claimed big news, I just posted an analogue case where a bank holds power over an org, in a thread about banks holding power over orgs.

What is your point?


Because your quote in the post above is literally a lie due to omission of that key word - no, dutch banks did not terminate the accounts of any Corona-critics / anti-vax'ers / conspiracy nuts (the obvious/natural reading of that sentence implies they blocked accounts of people like that), they just terminated accounts of some organizations. As currently written, that quote asserts that banks not only hold power over orgs but also hold equivalent power over "undesirable" people, which is not true and would be very worrying (and relevant to this discussion) if true, so I feel that I must contest that misleading quote.


Because organizations can be refounded, desolved while humans can't be. An organization is a vehicle for purpose. Humans aren't a vehicles for a purpose.


Why is that relevant in the context of OnlyFans, which is an org too. I just posted an analogue case.


You are correct, the difference i would point to is that sex work is real work and should not be marginalized while spreading mental malware for self enrichment that causes harm to society should be marginalized. This is simply an result of utilitarian calculus to me. If you don't subscribe to that ethical system that is your choice and i am not going to convince you otherwise.

Decriminalization of sex leads to less suffering for prostitues and better health for the customers (they way Germany accomplishes the second thing is not ideal, like requiring even blowjobs to be performed with condoms but that's a tangent).

Criminalization of anti vaccine speech (similar how holocaust denial is illegal in Germany, only high profile cases are really prosecuted) would lead to better discussion about vaccine risks, better vaccination rates, less death and fewer fights within families due to intellectual malware.

I am also for a criminalization of climate change denial as it also a form of genocide denial which violates the human dignity of future generations. Note that in German law statements of facts are exempt from that. Only statements which are univocally false, so they can't contribute positively to societal dialog and deny human dignity to a protected group or statements which are to made to inspire violance against a protected group are subject to these kind of laws. If you say "No jews were persecuted under the third reich" you are commiting holocaust denial. I would propose that "emissions of man made CO2 don't impact the climate", "CO2 emissions will be completly absorbed by more green growth so there will be no impact on the climate" or "climate change or unlimited CO2 emissions will not lead the displacement of people in costal regions due to raising sea levels" can be prosecuted.

Is that a limit on free speech? Yes and i am fine with that as there are positive and negative freedoms. The moment where speech violates the human dignity of other groups of people it should be limited.


Why did you remove it if it doesn't matter?


I didn't remove anything. What I wrote is just my attempt at translation, while I am not fixated at orgs like you seem to be.

Why don't you answer the question instead of insinuating I have ulterior motives?




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