That. I remember Borland C++ Builder. It was a pleasure to build compelling user interfaces with it, but it's best value was simplicity, the meticulously crafted library and great help system. That's how I got into programming. The big difference today are devices, especially screen sizes. We want to make apps now. Small, focused tools. Sadly often we have simple apps bloated beyond recognition for profit. That's partly why every gizmo in an app is not only pixels, no sir, it has to jump and blink and shout for attention. More layout engines won't make your app better. Keeping it simple and focused will.