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> The country is not socially tailored to attract and retain highly skilled specialized workers.

Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious. Spain does attract expats, they are however often pensioners.



The situation with Spain is quite interesting.

Usually engineers aren't that well regarded in Spain, people tend to aim to get into management.

Other than that, salaries are pretty low and work culture is quite intense at most places, with people usually working ~10 hours a day. This is aided by the general lack of options in the market and a quite high degree of conformity which is a byproduct of the rigid educational system in Spain and which most graduates are embued with.

Innovation, aside from a couple startups is lacking as most of the ecosystem is made of big consulting companies which have agreed to set cap on salaries to protect their shrinking margins resulting from years of cranking poor code by replaceable coders working in bad conditions.

However, things are getting better with the arrival of some international companies like Xing or local successes like Cabify.

Spain is a really attractive place for high tech, with most of the Mediterranean coast boasting Californian climate with Richmond house prices, great cuisine, high level of services comparable to Northern Europe and quite open culture. So it's logically pretty undervalued in my eyes.


jxub give a good summary of some of the big issues. Below I write my take on the biggest issues for me:

(1) Favoritism: Knowing or being the right person is quite more important than doing a good job. In small companies usually the boss family and close friends are in the top positions. Usually the best way to move upwards is to kiss your boss ass rather than being a good professional. Pretty much the opposite of a meritocracy.

(2) 'Low level corruption': We all talk about the big scandals, the ones that move millions and fill the news. We talk less about what I call 'low level corruption', or everyday small acts of corruption. Not paying taxes, cheating on the utilities, doing some underhanded businesses. It is quite disheartening when you are trying to be an honest citizen. Feeds a lot on point (1).

(3) Conformism: Most people have little ambition in terms of professional development. Spain is one of those countries where civil servant is a dream job. People look for easy and stable jobs where they can get just enough money to get by, and enjoy their free time. Live is pretty good due to the cost of living and public services, and because of (1) chances are you won't get far no matter how hard you try, so why bother? An extensive support network of family and friends gets you covered in most cases, so people are not really worried about hitting rock bottom.

(4) Envy: Maybe due to (3) society as a whole is full of envy and jealousy. We tend to say that this is a country of 'cainites', in reference to Cain, the biblical character who killed his own brother. We also say 'Nobody is a prophet in their own land', another biblical phrase to signify how hard is to get recognized by your peers. We seem to be happier being mediocre together rather than people sticking out. As one of my friends says, 'if I get screwed, everyone gets screwed', as he would sabotage anything that doesn't go his way. Instead of keeping up with the Joneses, we would try to drag them down to the mud with us.

(5) Bad social and economic status for specialized workers: As I said in Spain a civil servant is a dream job. On the opposite side, most specialized jobs are not really valued in any way. Software Engineers would have good economic and social status in other countries; not so much over there. You would be mocked as a geek and nerd by your peers and your work wouldn't be appreciated. Salaries are much lower than other developed countries, not only because of cost of living, but proportionally too. In some places you would be paid a working class income.

Put all these points together and you can see why we can't attract talent. Poorly regarded social status and income, in a place that doesn't value you, with very few opportunities and chances to advance your career.


I agree with most of these, with some caveats.

> Spain is one of those countries where civil servant is a dream job

Not any longer, at least not in my circles. Years of neglect by the goverment and bad publicity by all actors have made civil servant's jobs both scarce and not that attractive. If there is any other alternative it's prefered over this.

> 'Low level corruption' [...] doing some underhanded businesses

Unfortunately Spannish economy depends on this. People have a meager salary, self employed people cannot demand the correct price for their services (most of the time) because people cannot pay it, so they don't have enough to pay taxes, that means less money for everyone in a vicious circle.

So we don't have enough jobs for everyone, and the taxes self employed people suffer impose most of them a decision: evade some or close shop. Being that the second option is non-sustainable (not enough jobs, remember?) they tend to do the first.

The rest are quite spot on and I agree with them.


I would love to go to Spain and just program, actually, and I'm not a pensioner ... yet.


Spain is probably my favorite country in the world for a number of reasons, and the next time I swing the pendulum away from career, my default plan is get a remote job in the US and live in Spain for as long as is convenient visa-wise.




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